i'm wondering about this hypothetical scenario:.
suppose..... a young muslim (non-radical/moderate) in a middle-eastern country has no access to the bible or any form of christianityhe's keenly aware of other non-christian faiths and the loyal adherents of those faithsaside from a blind faith in the koran (and, in turn, allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinkerhe doesn't see any flaws in his reasoning, no matter how illogical it may seem to outsidersokay, now based on the above suppositions..... what kind of introspective thinking might lead him to identify his own flawed reasoning so that he eventually realizes the koran is not a revelation of god?
is such a thing possible?
leavingwt
This seems very straight-forward, to me. God "hates" some people. They are screwed. They were screwed before they were ever born. Nothing will thwart God's will.
So if you are really concerned about being one of those who are "screwed" as you put it, what are your options going to be? What makes you think it's God's will for YOU?
i'm wondering about this hypothetical scenario:.
suppose..... a young muslim (non-radical/moderate) in a middle-eastern country has no access to the bible or any form of christianityhe's keenly aware of other non-christian faiths and the loyal adherents of those faithsaside from a blind faith in the koran (and, in turn, allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinkerhe doesn't see any flaws in his reasoning, no matter how illogical it may seem to outsidersokay, now based on the above suppositions..... what kind of introspective thinking might lead him to identify his own flawed reasoning so that he eventually realizes the koran is not a revelation of god?
is such a thing possible?
SBC
In either case, should he be held accountable by the Judeo-Christian god for his perspective (and actions or lack of action) since he has been immersed in Islamic culture/environment his entire life?
The answer is YES. He is already condemned.
Romans 9:10
And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls-- 12 she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
some may enjoy this new post at free minds by sherry jansma.
do we have to jump from the watchtowers frying pan into hellfire?.
one of the most appealing doctrines in the theology of jehovahs witnesses is their teaching on hellfire.
leavingwt
Deputy Dog believes in eternal punishment by a wrathful God. Moreover, he believes that Hell could be worse than literal flames for eternity. Hopefully he'll post on this thread and correct me if I have spoken in error.
How anyone can say they believe in the Bible and not believe in hell (eternal punishment) and God's Wrath is beyond me.
The attempt to discredit or do away with the existence of hell is the whole reason Russell started the JW cult. I would also suggest to you, that it is one of, if not the most popular reason most people join them.
some may enjoy this new post at free minds by sherry jansma.
do we have to jump from the watchtowers frying pan into hellfire?.
one of the most appealing doctrines in the theology of jehovahs witnesses is their teaching on hellfire.
Mad Sweeney
There is no human without wrath. One would need to be perfect to acheive such a thing but it is good to aspire to.
A human that expesses no wrath would be far from perfect. Any human who did not express anger at unrighteousness would be most sinful.
why did jesus christ come to the earth?
the rebellion in the garden of eden brought a death sentence upon adam and eve and all their offspring, but god lovingly supplied hope.
he sent his son to the earth to provide what the bible calls a ransom.
booby
Can you say that jesus was thusly faced with a similar dilemma as adam.
I wouldn't say Jesus was faced with a "dilemma" at all. As many have already pointed out, part of the problem is the Watchtower puts to much weight into Christ being only a man and the exact one to one payment. The comparison in Romans 5 was never intended to be understood that way. The simple idea being conveyed is that just as Adam's sin condemns all (or many) men to death, Jesus righteousness makes/redeems many (or all that believe) alive. In other words if you don't think it fair that you are represented by Adam, then you can't expect to be redeemed by Christ.
some may enjoy this new post at free minds by sherry jansma.
do we have to jump from the watchtowers frying pan into hellfire?.
one of the most appealing doctrines in the theology of jehovahs witnesses is their teaching on hellfire.
Sweeney
I suppose you would say a human without wrath is more than God?
some may enjoy this new post at free minds by sherry jansma.
do we have to jump from the watchtowers frying pan into hellfire?.
one of the most appealing doctrines in the theology of jehovahs witnesses is their teaching on hellfire.
It seems to me that that decision is more honorable than creating a Jesus we are a lot more comfortable with and following him.
I'm with ya!
I think the biggest objection for most is a God who has any "wrath" at all.
I think a God without wrath is less than human.
why did jesus christ come to the earth?
the rebellion in the garden of eden brought a death sentence upon adam and eve and all their offspring, but god lovingly supplied hope.
he sent his son to the earth to provide what the bible calls a ransom.
That's why the Church is called the "Bride" of Christ.
Still no comment?
Rev 19:7
some may enjoy this new post at free minds by sherry jansma.
do we have to jump from the watchtowers frying pan into hellfire?.
one of the most appealing doctrines in the theology of jehovahs witnesses is their teaching on hellfire.
Ding
They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever...
For the bible believer that's a tough one to get around.
is the doctrine of hell a hindrance or a help in witnessing?
many evangelicals are ashamed of this biblical doctrine, viewing it as a blemish to be covered up by the cosmetic of divine love.
but this dishonors gods word.
Well I live there so I'm not missing much.
